NVMe SSD drive TRIM or defragmented

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ReneM
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NVMe SSD drive TRIM or defragmented

Beitrag von ReneM » So 13. Sep 2020, 14:47

Sorry for my post in English, but I have too much difficulty with German.

As most people are aware, O&O defrag has for a very long time not been able to know the difference between some SSD drives and traditional hard drives. That problem may have been solved a few months ago. Maybe maybe not.

However, I experienced the other day a strange incident related to TRIM of my SSD drive.
For the past 10 weeks, after the bug fix, O&O defrag has shown both brown, black and white, but mostly red markings after TRIM.
On August 30, that changed and everything turned gray after TRIM.

Please see photo documentation here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/i5fiw3lz0yhdd ... g.png?dl=0

It makes me a little uneasy, especially since I know the previous course of incorrect SSD recognition - does it work as it should?

I am obviously a little uneasy as this sudden change does not make sense to me.

Why the big differences with blocks in many colors and then suddenly only gray blocks - after 10 weeks?

Usually a TRIM takes 1-3 seconds, but I can see that it has also taken 23 seconds.
This is impossible because I only have Windows and programs on the C: drive and all my data, including Documents, Pictures, Movies, etc. on a traditional drive.

Has my SSD drive been treated properly in the last 10 weeks?

I am looking for an answer with a good and credible explanation.

Any help is appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

Cheers
René

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Brigitte (O&O)
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Re: NVMe SSD drive TRIM or defragmented

Beitrag von Brigitte (O&O) » Mo 14. Sep 2020, 14:38

Hi Rene,

You have opened already a ticket two weeks ago for this issue. It would be helpful if you could reply to our question.
Brigitte (O&O)

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Re: NVMe SSD drive TRIM or defragmented

Beitrag von ReneM » Mo 14. Sep 2020, 15:06

That's right Brigitte, on September 1st I contacted support@oo-software.com with my question, but (unfortunately as expected) I only received the following useless answer back:

Thank you for contacting us.
If I understand you correctly, it is a sudden change without any prior changes to your computer or O&O Defrag? Please run a analysis and then TRIM. Does it make a difference?

My inquiry was well documented with photo documentation, but was unfortunately not answered as desired :-(

I am therefore trying here in the forum :-)

I also just found out that there has also been a 'TRIM' with a duration of 49 seconds, but which I unfortunately strongly suspect has been a defragmentation.

See screenshot here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/o0o9xbse208jn ... k.png?dl=0

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Re: NVMe SSD drive TRIM or defragmented

Beitrag von Brigitte (O&O) » Di 15. Sep 2020, 10:10

Dear Rene,

your issue is not reproducable therefore we had to ask a "useless" question. Sorry for that stupid idea. Would have been nice to give a feedback though. Anyways, TRIM is TRIM and never a defragmentation.
Brigitte (O&O)

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Re: NVMe SSD drive TRIM or defragmented

Beitrag von ReneM » Di 15. Sep 2020, 18:44

First I ask you how I can include a screenshot in a post, but Brigitte, you just answer that I can write for support.
Excuse me, but that did not answer my question.

Then I send to your support@oo-software.com my observation about a possible defragmentation of my SSD drive which probably should be a TRIM, but also here I just get asked questions and suggestions.
I did not need help with that, it was some useful answers I wanted. I did not get them, so therefore I try here in the Forum instead.
That's probably why it's here.

I'm very insecure at O&O Defrag, because I can see strange things happening and because I know of the 8 months where the program could not even see the difference between SSDs and regular hard drives.

Brigitte, you can keep claiming that TRIM is TRIM and not a defragmentation, but why don't I get an explanation for all these colored blocks the program moves around with, by the weekly 'TRIM' since version 23.5.5019, the last 2½ month?

1. Has my NVMe SSD drive been defragmented in all these weeks?
2. Why are the blocks moved around and why does the alleged TRIM take 49 seconds and not 1-3 seconds as normal?

My Data drive, on a traditional 2 Gb HD, defragments in just 32 seconds when it comes to Through and otherwise shorter.
See Screenshoot here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/fi08rp1sw6u5u ... v.png?dl=0

The questions are very simple and straightforward and should be able to be answered instead of proposing different measures.

Is it just me who doubts the actions of O&O Defrag, or am I not alone.

I mean, with the documentation I have presented, one can only be in doubt, in the same way as when the program for 8 months defragmented the users' SSD drive, without any intervention.

I want useful correct answers to my simple questions and not an offer to get an refund.
In the interest of all users.

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Re: NVMe SSD drive TRIM or defragmented

Beitrag von Brigitte (O&O) » Mi 16. Sep 2020, 12:53

Dear Rene,

I assume that there is something wrong at all. A "thorough" defragmentation never runs in under 1 minute for a 2 TB volume. Unless it's empty - what it's not. Please upload the related report.
Brigitte (O&O)

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Re: NVMe SSD drive TRIM or defragmented

Beitrag von ReneM » Sa 19. Sep 2020, 14:51

Now I'm afraid things are starting to get mixed up.
My Data drive reference in my last post was just an example of the time factor of a defragmentation.

Let it be quite clear that there is nothing wrong with the defragmentation of my other traditional hard drives in any of my machines.

We therefore only have to deal with the questions asked about TRIM / Defragmentation of my NVMe SSD drive - and nothing else.

However, to justify my claim about the rapid defragmentation of traditional drives, I have uploaded a screenshot of all my hard drives on my other computer. See screenshot here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/fv8k26yzfyoig ... e.jpg?dl=0

The time it takes to defragment a drive depends, among other things, of how many changes have been made to the drive since the last defragmentation. I think we can all agree on that :-)
However, there are obviously divided opinions about how quickly a defragmentation can be performed.

My drives, where F and G are not defragmented automatically on a daily basis, but only periodically manually, as it makes no sense to frequently defragment these two drives:

C: (2 sec. TRIM)
F: (6m3s.) Used for all types of Temp/Tmp
G: (4h50m) Backup drive, where daily i.a. System Image is created
H: (12 sec.) Data drives which periodically does not change very much
I: (2 sec.) Installations (storage of all my purchased programs)
M: (11 sec.) Movies and animations where changes rarely occur in periods

As can be seen, a defragmentation does not take very long on a drives with few and small changes, while drives with e.g. large new backups, such as System Image, take a very long time.
Defragmentation of regular hard drives can thus take from a few seconds to several hours, which was what I just wanted to highlight in my last post.

Brigitte, a Through defragmentation can thus easily be performed in less than 1 minute as I stated in my last post.

So there is nothing abnormal here with me - apart from the questions regarding my NVMe SSD drive, with colored blocks and 49 sec. for a "TRIM".

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